Linguagem 469- Isso é um padrão?

[mago nobre]

Boa noite!

@Fernando S Kelly obrigado pela planilha...

Nenhuma palavra passou de +18...

Bom Dia Tibia: A linguagem 469 será entendida por seres de dois olhos algum dia?

KNIGHTMARE: Você só precisa de um tradutor com muito mais olhos :p

Abraço!

[mago nobre]

Boa noite!

Método simples para descobrir as possibilidades em determinadas sequências..

Entre: +19 ~ -469

Apesar que não encontrei palavras que ultrapassaram -250...

3478

3478
3 = 3 / -3 / -34 / -347

3478
4 = 4 / -4 / -347 / -34 / -47

3478
7 = 7 / -7 / -47 / -78

3478
8 = 8 / -8 / -78


3 = 4
4 = 5
7 = 4
8 = 3

__________________________________________________ _________


A Wrinkled Bonelord: I'm 486486 and NOT 'Blinky' as some people called me ... before they died. So don't ... confuse your numbers, as my kind says.

486486

486486
4 = 4 / -4 / -48

486486
8 = 8 / -8 / -48 / -86

486486
6 = 6 / -6 / -86 / -64

486486
4 = 4 / -4 / -64 / -48

486486
8 = 8 / -8 / -48 / -86

486486
6 = 6 / -6 / -86


4 = 3
8 = 4
6 = 4
4 = 4
8 = 4
6 = 3


__________________________________________________ _________


Uma das sequências do NPC A Wrinkled Bonelord:

“485611800364197”


485611800364197
4 = 4 / -4 / -48

485611800364197
8 = 8 / -8 / -48 / -85

485611800364197
5 = 5 / -5 / -85 / -56

485611800364197
6 = 6 / -6 / -56 / -61

485611800364197
1 = 1 / 11 / -1 / -61 / -11/-118

485611800364197
1 = 1 / 11 / 18 / -1 / -11 / -118 / -18 / -180

485611800364197
8 = 8 / 18 / -8 / -118 / -18 / -180 / -80

485611800364197
0 = 0 / -180 / -80

485611800364197
0 = 0

485611800364197
3 = 3 / -3 / -36 / 364

485611800364197
6 = 6 / -6 / -36 / -64 / -364

485611800364197
4 = 4 / -4 / -364 / -64 / -41 / -419

485611800364197
1 = 1/ 19 / -1 / -41 / -19 / -419 / -197

485611800364197
9 = 9 / 19 / -9 / -419 / -19 / -197 / -97

485611800364197
7 = 7 / -7 / -197 / -97


4 = 3
8 = 4
5 = 4
6 = 4
1 = 6
1 = 8
8 = 7
0 = 3
0 = 1
3 = 4
6 = 5
4 = 6
1 = 7
9 = 7
7 = 4

__________________________________________________ _________


Quebrando a mesma sequência beseando-se nos livros do Hellgate:

Numeração dos livros de acordo com meus arquivos pesssoais

Livro: 11
094343508434856 1180036419735364672496847560199684770908895216
88952199118006512814572785726118576436467243534527 560192889529727816705121648561145191991


Livro: 22
86756356114519199 118003646889521991103651
28896721277889438872151288952196180031145727857261 18576421970968057963661252757058452176521972783046 487651595646114145198899751121615180


“11800364”

11800364
1 = 1 / 11 / -1 / -11 / -118

11800364
1 = 1 / 11 / 18 / -1 / -11 / -118 / -18 / -180

11800364
8 = 8 / 18 / -8 / -118 / -18 / -180 / -80

11800364
0 = 0 / -180 / -80

11800364
0 = 0

11800364
3 = 3 / -3 / -36 / -364

11800364
6 = 6 / -6 / -364 / -36 / -64

11800364
4 = 4 / -4 / -364 / -64


1 = 5
1 = 8
8 = 7
0 = 3
0 = 1
3 = 4
6 = 5
4 = 4

__________________________________________________ _________


Teste:

469

4 = 4 / -4 / -46
6 = 6 / -6 / -46 / -69
9 = 9 / -9 / -69

4 = 3
6 = 4
9 = 3


TALK
20-1-12-11 = -4

DEAD
4-5-1-4 = -6

OF
15-6 = 9


-4-6+9


Talk dead of

Talk of the dead

Conversa dos mortos


Abraços!

[cafexd]

Olá pessoal, boa noite.

Também estou muito interessado no desenrolar da linguagem 469, ainda mais depois da entrevista com o Knightmare na qual o mesmo deu a entender que os mistérios do tibia são sim possíveis de resolucão. Gostaria que o grande Mulf nos ajudasse a desenrolar mais esse.

Então mago nobre, acredito que entendi o seu raciocício, mas não entendi como isto é aplicado para decifrar a linguagem 469. Você pode explicar?

Abracos!

[mago nobre]

Olá pessoal, boa noite.

Também estou muito interessado no desenrolar da linguagem 469, ainda mais depois da entrevista com o Knightmare na qual o mesmo deu a entender que os mistérios do tibia são sim possíveis de resolucão. Gostaria que o grande Mulf nos ajudasse a desenrolar mais esse.

Então mago nobre, acredito que entendi o seu raciocício, mas não entendi como isto é aplicado para decifrar a linguagem 469. Você pode explicar?

Abracos!

Boa noite!

Sei que o Topico já esta com muitas paginas, mas se você puder ler algumas irá entender como foi o raciocinio usado para chegar ate esse ponto:

Resumo básico:

Tudo foi baseado em coisas in-game, ate o alfabeto:

A = 1
B = 2
C = 3
Etc...

A teoria básica é de que a raça Humana foi criada para combater a raça Bonelord na corpse wars, assim equilibrando a balança da criação....

Por isso bonelords são Negativos (-) e os Humanos (+).

-3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3

Zero como numero obsceno esta no centro...


A Mathemagic usada no enigma do NPC Aprisioner já é uma introdução ao conceito:

10+5+25+10+10 = 60

Com isso TIBIA seria igual a 1 ou -1


T = 20 / I = 9 / B = 2 / I = 9 / A = 1

20 T
- 9 I
-------
11
- 2 B
-------
9
- 9 I
-------
0
- 1A
-------
-1 se quiser multiplicar por -1 => -1x(-1) = 1

TIBIA
20-9-2-9-1 = -1

Como eu transformei todo um dicionario ingles nesses numeros, agora estou usando o metodo do outro post para separar e analisar quais palavras se encaixam melhor.

Ate agora os numeros zeros das sequencias que eu separei estão com caracteristas de ligação entre substantivos.

Abraço!

[Zwarte Kaas]

Pois é amigos, o que seria de uma linguagem sem suas Preposições? Sem seus Adjetivos? Sem os Artigos? E sem os Verbos?


469

TALK

T=20 A=1 L=12 K=11

20-1-12-11=-4

DEAD

D=4 E=5 A=1 D=4

4-5-1-4=-6

OF

O=15 F=6

15-6=9


TALK DEAD OF

Como o 9 é positivo inverter-se o OF :

“Talk of Dead”



GRAMÁTICA


ARTIGOS:

A

1

AN

1-14= -13

THE

20-8-5= 7


ADJETIVOS:

BLOND

2-12-15-14-4= -43

BLACK

2-12-1-4-11 = -25

FAT

6-1-20 = -15

NEW

14-5-23=-14


ADVÉRBIOS:

WELL

23-5-12-12 = -6

BADLY

2-1-4-12-25 = -40

VERY

22-5-18-25 = -26

HERE

8-5-18-5 = -20


PRONOMES:

I

9

YOU

25-15-21= -11

HE

8-5= 3

SHE

19-8-5= 6

IT

9-20= -11

WE

23-5= 18

THEY

20-8-5-25= -18


PREPOSIÇÕES:

ABOUT

1-2-15-21-20= -57

ABOVE

1-2-15-22-5 = -43

ACROSS

1-3-18-15-19-19 = -73

AFTER

1-6-20-5-18 = -48

AGAINST

1-7-1-9-14-19-20 = -69

ALL OVER

1-12-12-15-22-5-18 = -83

ALONG

1-12-15-14-7 = -47

AMONG

1-13-15-14-7 = -48

AROUND

1-18-15-21-14-4 = -71

AS FAR AS

1-19-6-1-18-1-19 = -63

AT

1-20 = -19

BEFORE

2-5-6-15-18-5 = -47

BEHIND

2-5-8-9-14-4 = -38

BELOW

2-5-12-15-23 = -53

BESIDE

2-5-19-9-4-5 = -40

BETWEEN

2-5-20-23-5-5-14 = -70

BEYOND

2-5-25-15-14-4 = -61

BY

2-25 = -23

CLOSED TO

3-12-15-19-5-4-20-15 = -87

DURING

4-21-18-9-14-7 = -65

FAR FROM

6-1-18-6-18-15-13 = -65

FOR

6-15-18 = -27

FROM

6-18-15-13 = -40

OF

15-6 = 9

TO

20-15 = 5


VERBOS:

BE

2-5 = -3

GO

7-15 = -8

EXIST

5-24-9-19-20 = -67

LIVE

12-9-22-5 = -24


ABREVIAÇÕES:

I’M

9-13= -4


GÍRIAS:

YEAH

25-5-1-8 = 11


REGRA GRAMATICAL:

Palavras com números “Positivos” tem que ser escritas invertidas para não quebrar a sequência numérica.

Exemplo:

CITY

3-9-20-25 = -51

OF

15-6 = 9

MEN

13-5-14= -6


Em vez de: -519-6

Deve ser escrito: -51-6-9



CURIOSIDADE:

O nome dos “Bonelords” pode ser escrito de cinco maneiras diferentes o que ocasiona cinco números distintos...

BONELORD

2-15-14-5-12-15-18-4 = -81

BONELORDS

2-15-14-5-12-15-18-4-19 = -100

THE BONELORD

20-8-5-2-15-14-5-12-15-18-4 = -78

THE BONELORDS

20-8-5-2-15-14-5-12-15-18-4-19 = -97

A BONELORD

1-2-15-14-5-12-15-18-4 = -84

...mesmo número de olhos que os "Bonelords" possuem.

Anexo 2484


TESTES:

Resposta em “469” da Chayenne ao Portal tíbia:

"E sobre a linguagem dos Beholders? As pessoas estão se matando para decifrá-la. O que você pode falar sobre ela?"

114514519485611451908304576512282177 6612527570584 xD


PALAVRAS USADAS:


BEHOLDER

2-5-8-15-12-4-5-18= -65

MAGE

13-1-7-5 = 0

KNIGHTMARE

11-14-9-7-8-20-13-1-18-5= -84

THE LANGUAGE

20-8-5-12-1-14-7-21-1-7-5= -61

SPEAK

19-16-5-1-11=-14

SORRY

19-15-18-18-25 = -57

ABOUT

1-2-15-21-20 = -57

NO

14-15=-1

TO

20-15 = 5

YET

25-5-20 = 0


PROGRESSO:


1414519485611451908304576512282177 6612527570584 xD


1 14 514519485 61 14519083 0 4 57 65 12282177 6612527 57 0 5 84 xD

No speak 514519485 the language 14519083 yet 4 about Beholder 12282177 6612527 sorry to Mage Knightmare xD


No speak 514519485 the language 14519083 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD


A coisa ta ficando boa...

Abraço!

Hi,

I'm trying to help using a translator. Hope it makes sense.

Human = -5 (8-2-1-1-3-1-1-4)
Banor = -19 (2-1-1-4-1-5-1-8)
sane = 19-1-14+5

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language 14519083 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city 9083 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage 83 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage be Mad Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage be Mad Mage 4 about Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

[mago nobre]

Hi,

I'm trying to help using a translator. Hope it makes sense.

Human = -5 (8-2-1-1-3-1-1-4)
Banor = -19 (2-1-1-4-1-5-1-8)
sane = 19-1-14+5

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language 14519083 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city 9083 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage 83 Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage be Mad Mage 4 sorry Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

No speak human, speak to Banor among human the language speak city Sane mage be Mad Mage 4 about Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

good afternoon!

Friend, your help will be welcome.

You just confused the transformation ...

A= 1
B= 2
C= 3
D= 4
E= 5
F= 6
G= 7
H= 8
I= 9
J= 10
K= 11
L= 12
M= 13
N= 14
O= 15
P= 16
Q= 17
R= 18
S= 19
T= 20
U= 21
V= 22
W= 23
X= 24
Y= 25
Z= 26

Then...

HUMAN
8-21-13-1-14 = -41

BANOR
2-1-14-15-18 = -46

however, this sequence is in one of the books. That's why my concept changed a bit for that answer...

Sorry for the indiscretion, but you write from which country?

[Zwarte Kaas]

good afternoon!

Friend, your help will be welcome.

You just confused the transformation ...

A= 1
B= 2
C= 3
D= 4
E= 5
F= 6
G= 7
H= 8
I= 9
J= 10
K= 11
L= 12
M= 13
N= 14
O= 15
P= 16
Q= 17
R= 18
S= 19
T= 20
U= 21
V= 22
W= 23
X= 24
Y= 25
Z= 26

Then...

HUMAN
8-21-13-1-14 = -41

BANOR
2-1-14-15-18 = -46

however, this sequence is in one of the books. That's why my concept changed a bit for that answer...

Sorry for the indiscretion, but you write from which country?

The netherlands,

altought Human and Bane is wrong, is the rest correct? Sane mage is not their! so i cant talk with him about beholder language as i suspect the message is telling us. (if i translated it correct)

Which book?

*Google has a hard time translating the forum. I am certain that "sane" is incorrect. I tought to understand that after number 4,6,9 it changes from - to +. as looking to "banor" i see you continue using - after number 14. while i switched to + in the word "Sane".

Do you use Discord? it's easyer to talk and work on translation.

No speak 5, speak to 19 among 5 the language speak city 19 mage be Mad Mage 4 about Beholder 12282177 6612527 about to Mage Knightmare xD

[mago nobre]

The netherlands,

altought Human and Bane is wrong, is the rest correct? Sane mage is not their! so i cant talk with him about beholder language as i suspect the message is telling us. (if i translated it correct)

Which book?

*Google has a hard time translating the forum. I am certain that "sane" is incorrect. I tought to understand that after number 4,6,9 it changes from - to +. as looking to "banor" i see you continue using - after number 14. while i switched to + in the word "Sane".

Yes.

I suspect they are repeated poems...


Knightmare - The orc language was an early quest device. Admittedly, probably too complicated and spoiler vulnerable for a closed environment like Rookgaard but it was very basic. Even the stuff the orc monsters are saying had (partly) some meaning but most of it was never formally written down and it would be rather hard even for me to reconstruct it.
The beholder language is a completely different issue though. We hired an actual beholder to write down texts for us. It resides still in the company basement and refuses to leave. The screaming of the dwarfs we have to feed him once a day haunts us even in our dreams. The worst thing is we have no means to tell if the beholder actually wrote down what we dictated him. Chances are his texts are some tasteless jokes and bad beholder poetry. Yet no one in the office had the guts to voice our doubts towards the beholder. Have you ever heard of the CipSoft employee Hans Christian Strakeldum? No? We neither after he went down into the cellar to tell the beholder to stop whistling that loud.

Avar Tar: 29639 46781! 9063376290 3222011 677 80322429 67538 14805394, 6880326 677 63378129 337011 72683 149630 4378! 453 639 578300 986372 2953639! I know it's rather short, but still, this poem I like best.

Book 19:


180036468895219912611451451985611451908304576512282177350843485628
47468898052103649915991186745194688952199153452744 6472611451451948
56114506553452744647261145145194856114506563561145 1986756356114519
19911800364688952199126114511991

[Zwarte Kaas]

My Friend,

After doing some research (based on your theory) i found out the use A1Z26 Ciper codes. i think you already know this.
Example website to help decoding words: https://planetcalc.com/4884/

Do you have any word list or converted list that you can publish? i want to create a tool orso.

[mago nobre]

My Friend,

After doing some research (based on your theory) i found out the use A1Z26 Ciper codes. i think you already know this.
Example website to help decoding words: https://planetcalc.com/4884/

Do you have any word list or converted list that you can publish? i want to create a tool orso.

wow!

I did not know, thanks for the info...

I came up with this concept just trying to find the meaning as Tibia could be 1.

I have a dictionary transformed into excel sheet, but there are many words for a single number.

Too much trouble to fit the words.
There are many ...