RUMOURS / NEWS

[Allison S.]

Olá pessoal, venho por meio deste iniciar uma discussão sobre npcs e seus rumores e noticias. Como devem saber, no update de svargrond em 26 de junho de 2007 a cip alterou vários npcs de bares para contarem até 18 rumores aleatórios sobre a ilha gelada, porem nossos amigos nunca mais foram agraciados com novas histórias de clientes bêbados ou meramente de passagem.
MAS ISSO VAI MUDAR, pelo menos pro npc Scott de senja
com toda aquela fixação minha em liberar 100% do mapa de carlin acabei sugerindo pra Eudocia de atualizarem um novo rumour no npc e aceitaram o que está me fazendo pensar que podemos dar uma atualizada em vários npcs.
Eu sei que discutimos um tópico sobre spoilers e a razão da maioria das pessoas de usarem por achar inglês difícil ou algumas quests complexas mas vamos lembrar que já são 10 anos investigando updates com informações de teasers, test servers e npcs específicos ignorando a velha forma de perguntar pro dono de um local que recebe vários visitantes ou clientes.

aproveito para compartilhar minha ideia de usar o fato da ordem do falcão estar em zao para tentar atualizar o npc cael, algum npc lizard e o líder da tribo humana com rumores sobre esse grupo tão antigo presente em um continente igualmente tão antigo já que banuta e Chor são só velhas colonias do povo lizard de zao.

editado:
o @Pearl e o @Don Maximus Meridius disseram que não conseguem entender objetivo do tópico:
16:16 Buffy Kion [340]: news
16:16 Alexander: Ask for news and rumours in the tavern.

16:17 Buffy Kion [340]: news
16:17 Mirabell: Oh, there are so many. Just ask other travellers like you.

na atualização de Svargrond, 4 npcs de taberna (frodo / Maria / Dane / Scott) receberam 18 rumores aleatórios e preservaram sua maneira de responder a palavras específicas.
esses 18 rumores contêm pouco spoiler e são mais engraçados ou contêm algumas informações curiosas.
na atualização de Zao, o npc da taverna recebeu 11 (?) rumores aleatórios, mas as outras cidades nunca receberam essa atualização novamente.
Eu acho que o jogo deve resgatar essa maneira clássica de procurar em tabernas. É interessante aprender novas informações e curiosidades sem depender de palavras-chave específicas ou de um spoiler de website.
Nada impede que o npc conte uma história que ouviu de outro cliente bêbado e ainda manter informações que dependem de palavras-chave específicas.

qual é sua opinião?

Você acha que é interessante velhos npcs de tavernas contarem histórias de antigos e novos locais igual aconteceu na atualização de Svargrond? (Frodo / Maria / Dane / Scott respondendo 18 rumores aleatórios com intenção de deixar os jogadores curiosos).

[Allan Kreed]

copia ai os rumores atuais pra gente não perder essa informação se tirarem

[Allison S.]

copia ai os rumores atuais pra gente não perder essa informação se tirarem

os 18 aleatórios?
01
21:41 Dane: A guy told me that the Carlin Trading Syndicate sent out an employee to the new market in the North to open up a new branch of their company.
02
21:41 Dane: I heard something about the fauna of the Ice Islands. The people tattle about birds that don't fly but swim!!! Isn't that ridiculous?!?!
03
21:41 Dane: I heard something about the barbarian tribes, who live on the newly discovered Ice Islands, that are called 'raiders'. The mightiest of them is headed by a shaman witch. There are rumours that she is immortal.
04
21:41 Dane: A sailor told me a story about female raiders. He said they can talk to the beasts that live in the wilderness of the north. ...
21:41 Dane: ... The wolves and bears protect them and tear their foes into pieces if they order them to. If you ask me, this is just gossip.
05
21:41 Dane: Some old people tell stories about the creation war and these islands in the North ruled by snow and ice. They say it once was a fertile region. Mighty magicians used a huge crystal of ice to store all the coldness inside.
06
21:41 Dane: A week ago an old drunkard mumbled something about hairy elephants!! I wonder who's telling all that weird stuff. I never met someone who was in the North and returned to the main continent.
07
21:41 Dane: The people talk about a huge mountain of ice, several hundreds of metres thick located in the centre of the main Ice Island.
08
21:41 Dane: I heard that the town is mostly built out of wood. The inhabitants nearly stubbed all their forests. ...
21:41 Dane: ... That must be the reason why the Carlin traders are so interested in getting there. They sense gold in selling wood.
09
21:41 Dane: Have you heard about the natives of the Ice Islands? It sounds very confusing to me. ...
21:41 Dane: ... I mean there are barbarians and barbarians, some are good, the others not. One call themselves 'Norsir' the others 'Raiders', but actually they are all the same.
10
21:42 Dane: I heard it through the grapevine that the people on the Ice Islands eat fish all the time. But not only usual fish, no. They eat red and green fishes! ...
21:42 Dane: ... The only green fish I know is the one you can buy at Permaret in Edron as a 'special offer' and that would be your last meal. Trust me!
11
21:42 Dane: Some citizens from Venore settled on one of the islands in the North. I heard stories about exotic products they are gathering from their hunts.
12
21:42 Dane: I heard something about a civil war going on in the North. It seems that there are different tribes of 'raiders' making the whole area an even rougher place than it is already.
13
21:42 Dane: A sailor from Carlin told me that the natives of the Ice Islands pray to different gods. I think 'Chyll' is one of them or was that the name of the northern winds?? Well, doesn't matter! Primitives!
14
21:43 Dane: I heard about one guy, that is living in the capital of the Ice Islands, who has become crazy after searching the mines there. He always mumbles things about ancient demons and the end of the world.
15
21:43 Dane: I received a letter from a friend who works on the Ice Islands. ...
21:43 Dane: ... He was writing strange things about suspicious inhabitants and something about a test to become one of them. It was very hard to read the letter, I think he was drunk as hell when he wrote it.
16
21:43 Dane: A friend of mine, Captain Ogden Brewboiler, travelled to the forgotten northern sea. He is an ambitious sailor but still I have a bad feeling about it. I hope he's doing well.
17
21:43 Dane: I heard about dozens of sea serpents terrorising the sea around the islands in the North. ...
21:43 Dane: ... It seems that this was the reason why nobody has discovered the Ice Islands before. Something must have happened because at a moment's notice they disappeared.
18
21:43 Dane: The Carlin Trading Syndicate is sending expedition after expedition to the new discovered islands in the north. ...
21:43 Dane: ... I heard that they dig for valuable ore which was found in an old mine. I wonder why nobody of them has returned yet.

[Iridium]

os 18 aleatórios?
01
21:41 Dane: A guy told me that the Carlin Trading Syndicate sent out an employee to the new market in the North to open up a new branch of their company.
02
21:41 Dane: I heard something about the fauna of the Ice Islands. The people tattle about birds that don't fly but swim!!! Isn't that ridiculous?!?!
03
21:41 Dane: I heard something about the barbarian tribes, who live on the newly discovered Ice Islands, that are called 'raiders'. The mightiest of them is headed by a shaman witch. There are rumours that she is immortal.
04
21:41 Dane: A sailor told me a story about female raiders. He said they can talk to the beasts that live in the wilderness of the north. ...
21:41 Dane: ... The wolves and bears protect them and tear their foes into pieces if they order them to. If you ask me, this is just gossip.
05
21:41 Dane: Some old people tell stories about the creation war and these islands in the North ruled by snow and ice. They say it once was a fertile region. Mighty magicians used a huge crystal of ice to store all the coldness inside.
06
21:41 Dane: A week ago an old drunkard mumbled something about hairy elephants!! I wonder who's telling all that weird stuff. I never met someone who was in the North and returned to the main continent.
07
21:41 Dane: The people talk about a huge mountain of ice, several hundreds of metres thick located in the centre of the main Ice Island.
08
21:41 Dane: I heard that the town is mostly built out of wood. The inhabitants nearly stubbed all their forests. ...
21:41 Dane: ... That must be the reason why the Carlin traders are so interested in getting there. They sense gold in selling wood.
09
21:41 Dane: Have you heard about the natives of the Ice Islands? It sounds very confusing to me. ...
21:41 Dane: ... I mean there are barbarians and barbarians, some are good, the others not. One call themselves 'Norsir' the others 'Raiders', but actually they are all the same.
10
21:42 Dane: I heard it through the grapevine that the people on the Ice Islands eat fish all the time. But not only usual fish, no. They eat red and green fishes! ...
21:42 Dane: ... The only green fish I know is the one you can buy at Permaret in Edron as a 'special offer' and that would be your last meal. Trust me!
11
21:42 Dane: Some citizens from Venore settled on one of the islands in the North. I heard stories about exotic products they are gathering from their hunts.
12
21:42 Dane: I heard something about a civil war going on in the North. It seems that there are different tribes of 'raiders' making the whole area an even rougher place than it is already.
13
21:42 Dane: A sailor from Carlin told me that the natives of the Ice Islands pray to different gods. I think 'Chyll' is one of them or was that the name of the northern winds?? Well, doesn't matter! Primitives!
14
21:43 Dane: I heard about one guy, that is living in the capital of the Ice Islands, who has become crazy after searching the mines there. He always mumbles things about ancient demons and the end of the world.
15
21:43 Dane: I received a letter from a friend who works on the Ice Islands. ...
21:43 Dane: ... He was writing strange things about suspicious inhabitants and something about a test to become one of them. It was very hard to read the letter, I think he was drunk as hell when he wrote it.
16
21:43 Dane: A friend of mine, Captain Ogden Brewboiler, travelled to the forgotten northern sea. He is an ambitious sailor but still I have a bad feeling about it. I hope he's doing well.
17
21:43 Dane: I heard about dozens of sea serpents terrorising the sea around the islands in the North. ...
21:43 Dane: ... It seems that this was the reason why nobody has discovered the Ice Islands before. Something must have happened because at a moment's notice they disappeared.
18
21:43 Dane: The Carlin Trading Syndicate is sending expedition after expedition to the new discovered islands in the north. ...
21:43 Dane: ... I heard that they dig for valuable ore which was found in an old mine. I wonder why nobody of them has returned yet.

Ficarei de olho nisso

HYPE IS REAL BOYSSS

[Allan Kreed]

Todos os taverneiros dizem a mesma coisa?

[Allison S.]

Todos os taverneiros dizem a mesma coisa?

Não
percorri agora vários npcs e temos o seguinte resultado:

11:12 You see Clyde PORT HOPE - não responde de forma vaga

11:22 You see Lyonel LIBERTY BAY - responde news mas pedindo para especificar outra palavra, não responde rumour porque confunde com rum

11:26 You see Ariella LIBERTY BAY - MERIANA - não responde ou confunde com rum

11:32 You see Arito ANKRAHMUN - responde especificamente news, não responde rumours

11:37 You see Miraia DARASHIA - resposta genérica para news - não responde rumours

11:42 You see Mirabell EDRON - resposta genérica para news - não responde rumours

12:40 You see Christine ORAMOND - não responde

12:48 You see Boozer VENORE - resposta especifica

12:49 You see Maria VENORE - 18 rumores de svargrond - 1 genérico dos elfos

12:54 You see Urkalio VENORE - genérico sobre os elfos

13:00 You see Snake Eye OUTLAW CAMP - não responde de forma vaga

13:03 You see Frodo THAIS - 18 rumores de svargrond - 1 news de edron

13:24 You see Dane CARLIN - 18 rumores de svargrond - 1 news genérica

13:29 You see Karl CARLIN - 1 news idêntica do frodo

13:38 You see Scott CARLIN - SENJA - 18 rumores de svargrond

AB'DENDRIEL não tem taberna, tentativa com npcs de alimento - não respondem

13:56 You see Pugwah YALAHAR - não responde

13:59 You see Armenius YALAHAR - ignora huehue

14:15 You see Bolfona YALAHAR - BEREGAR - ignora - tira sarro - comenta algo sobre old borre

14:32 You see Maryza KAZORDOON - responde sobre savage axe na ponte

14:35 You see Jimbin KAZORDOON - resposta genérica levantando a questão: "14:33 Jimbin: Oh well, many hidden places of ancient times appear seemingly out of nowhere in these times."

14:37 You see Dankwart SVARGROND - não responde de forma genérica

14:38 Swolt: Rumours about the new land are all around. Would you like to hear one? ZAO - 11 RUMORES ALEATÓRIOS/TEORIAS
1 - yes
14:38 Swolt: If you went out in the open, wearing something golden or shiny, one of the numerous dragons might swoop down on you and snatch you away.
2 - yes
14:39 Swolt: Word is that we built our mine just under a castle full of vampires and undead. Some claim there is a tunnel ending directly in some old sarcophagus in a crypt full of bloodsucking monsters.
3 - yes
14:39 Swolt: As soon as the ore is pouring and some great smithies are running, Farmine will serve as a base for a dwarven army that will conquer the whole continent.
4 - yes
14:39 Swolt: The mining operation runs quite well and we might get additional resources soon. The first mines will be converted into barracks to accommodate all the new arrivals.
5 - yes
14:40 Swolt: The fruits that grow in this land are poisonous. Don't eat anything that grows here.
6 - yes
14:41 Swolt: The orcs of this land are a special breed. As long as you're not afraid, they won't kill you. Well, they might make you a cripple, you know, but they won't kill you unless you show fear.
7 - yes
14:42 Swolt: The whole Farmine project is only a cover to disguise what the dwarven emperor is actually seeking here.
8 - yes
14:43 Swolt: The mountains are the home of wild humans that can turn you into a mushroom if you anger them!
9 - yes
14:44 Swolt: The land north of the mountains that divide the continent is barren. An army of dragons is breeding there and prepares to set the world on fire with its breath.
10 - yes
14:45 Swolt: The land is ruled by some dragon emperor. But this is no one else than Ferumbras himself.
11 - yes
14:46 Swolt: The plains of this lands are roamed by orcs that are as numerous as locusts in a swarm. They've already eaten everything alive from deer to fruits to grass and even trees. ...
14:46 Swolt: Now they are eating themselves!

bem isso @Allan Kreed
qual sua opinião em atualizar?
durante a pesquisa reparei que novos npcs guias resumem sobre quests e locais de caça e isso substitui o papel dos taverneiros. mas talvez ainda tenha espaço pra eles nesse joguinho xD

[Allan Kreed]

@Allison S. se não perdermos informação é bom que adicionem novos rumores.
achei interessante que só os da área free falam de svargrond, só pra deixar curioso e pagar premium.

[Allison S.]

@Allan Kreed
preservar informação é até tranquilo, problema seria como valorizar as palavras new/news e rumour/rumours nos taverneiros.
de um lado temos textos aleatórios combinado com palavras específicas: o velho Frodo falando de svargrond bem como do bardo morto em POH por exemplo.

do outro lado temos npc que só pedem palavras específicas que descobrimos de maneira externa ou depois de explorar cegamente. Acredito que um rumor não precisa ter spoiler, só destacar alguma curiosidade ou mesmo mencionar um local.

Em svargrond o taverneiro pode não soltar algo de forma simples mas os demais npcs da cidade respondem new/news/rumour/rumours e acaba compensando. Agora, 10 anos depois da criação do continente, pq não adicionarmos coisas de fora como:
"um viajante me contou outra noite sobre uma serpente marinha vermelha em oramond, qualquer dia desses o capitão Haba vai sarpar para persegui-las HAHAHA"
"Me falaram que em Yalahar usam-se golens mecânicos nos trabalhos manuais, imagina se o sindicato responsável pela mina encomenda essas geringonças? Demônio vs homem vs maquina!"

[Allison S.]

a respeito da ideia de atualizar npcs de zao com rumores dos falcons:
@Buffy Kion: Thanks for the suggestions, would certainly spice everything up even more. It's a bit tricky to change the old NPCs like this, also this quest is just part of the larger questline and we would have to do this for all the others as well to get more consistency. It's indeed something I already aimed to achieve when adding relating topics to Avar Tar and other NPCs in Edron. We'll continue to make references and connections between old Tibia and new content with future updates whenever possible and appropriate

a titulo de curiosidade: 5 npcs em edron respondem sobre a ordem e 1 npc em thais (king tibianus), também existem dois livros que remetem aos irmãos se separando e cada um fundando uma ordem diferente: lion (darashia) e cobra (desconhecido)
já viram algo sobre essa ultima ordem ?

pedi pro lionet mexer mais um pouquinho nos npcs mas não houve resposta hj

voltando ao tópico: hj fiquei algum tempo no Edowir testando palavras chaves específicas ja que ele não da nenhuma dica através de new/rumour: tem coisas interessantes como descrição de alguns amuletos e variadas informações como demonslords, guerra djinn e metais mágicos. Palavras que antigamente nem se tinha a cor diferenciada ou sugestões mas as pessoas descobriam mesmo assim

[Allison S.]

O NOVO RUMOUR DO SCOTT DE SENJA:
19:58 Scott: I heard about some strange creatures that appeared on one of the smaller ice islands. Reportedly they have a human torso but the lower body of a white-furred goat! Can you imagine that? ...
19:58 Scott: Travellers told me that they recently moved into the caverns beneath the island. There, they are growing fresh grass and even flowers! How is that possible in a frozen cave? Some kind of magic has to be involved. ...
19:58 Scott: I'm just not sure whether it is of the benevolent or the malicious kind.

ta misturado com os 18 rumores aleatórios de svargrond. (agora devemos falar ice islands?)

precisei falar rumour 68x huehue
quais as possibilidades de as pessoas realmente verem isso no global se não existe um incentivo de atualizar todos os npcs de tabernas com rumores aleatórios?